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Are 107 Holders really Pilots?

The flight was vectored for a visual approach to runway 28L and intercepted the final approach course about 14 nautical miles (nm) from the threshold at an altitude slightly above the desired 3° glidepath. This set the flight crew up for a straight-in visual approach; however, after the flight crew accepted an air traffic control instruction to maintain 180 knots to 5 nm from the runway, the flight crew mismanaged the airplane’s descent, which resulted in the airplane being well above the desired 3° glidepath when it reached the 5 nm point. The flight crew’s difficulty in managing the airplane’s descent continued as the approach continued. In an attempt to increase the airplane’s descent rate and capture the desired glidepath, the pilot flying (PF) selected an autopilot (A/P) mode (flight level change speed [FLCH SPD]) that instead resulted in the autoflight system initiating a climb because the airplane was below the selected altitude. The PF disconnected the A/P and moved the thrust levers to idle,:eek:o_O which caused the autothrottle (A/T) to change to the HOLD mode, a mode in which the A/T does not control airspeed. The PF then pitched the airplane down and increased the descent rate. Neither the PF, the pilot monitoring (PM), nor the observer noted the change in A/T mode to HOLD.

As the airplane reached 500 ft above airport elevation, the point at which Asiana’s procedures dictated that the approach must be stabilized, the precision approach path indicator (PAPI) would have shown the flight crew that the airplane was slightly above the desired glidepath. Also, the airspeed, which had been decreasing rapidly, had just reached the proper approach speed of 137 knots. However, the thrust levers were still at idle, and the descent rate was about 1,200 ft per minute, well above the descent rate of about 700 fpm needed to maintain the desired glidepath; these were two indications that the approach was not stabilized. Based on these two indications, the flight crew should have determined that the approach was unstabilized and initiated a go-around, but they did not do so. As the approach continued, it became increasingly unstabilized as the airplane descended below the desired glidepath; the PAPI displayed three and then four red lights, indicating the continuing descent below the glidepath. The decreasing trend in airspeed continued, and about 200 ft, the flight crew became aware of the low airspeed and low path conditions but did not initiate a go-around until the airplane was below 100 ft, at which point the airplane did not have the performance capability to accomplish a go-around. The flight crew’s insufficient monitoring of airspeed indications during the approach resulted from expectancy, increased workload, fatigue, and automation reliance
Thanks for the additional details. My brother says he routinely uses this crash as an example when teaching.

To me, the most interesting part of the whole thing is KTVU's coverage of the incident lol
 
The best trolling I've ever heard of lol
Ok, I've heard this before
A summer intern???! Really, The FAA allowed a summer intern to speak to the media? My foot, they had to scramble to get out of this, blame it on a college junior summer intern. He must have gotten promoted after this incident;)
 
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107 test is just a smidget of info need compared too us pilots and jsut think what the Heavy's need to learn!:cool:
Here is more lighting info. So next time you're on an airliner, you'll now know why all the dizzy lights on the runway are for.:rolleyes:
 
107 is not even close to what it takes to fly an aircraft. I would like to see requirements for 107 like the requirement called for in obtaining a minimum aircraft pilots license. Anyone can fly a drone, a 12 year old can. Now use it for furtherance of a thriving business. Different story. Put the 12 year old in an aircraft and see if he can fly it. Of course put the person who bought him or her the drone into the aircraft. Another different story.
 
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What I noticed on that approach is one major screw up after another. Switching to autopilot with altitude hold was just one major one. It seemed like the pilot dropped too rapidly to get back on the glide slop. Very few pilots rely on the VASI but instead the ILS. He would have bee better of remaining high on the glide slop after he passed the outer marker (5miles), got his air speed under control then set flaps, then worried about if he was too high and went for a missed approach if need be. Jet engines do not respond quickly with throttle changes so they throttled up way too late. Such a shame.
 
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So for you drone jocks, if you're on final and need a reference to see if your on the proper glide slope, look for 2 whites and 2 reds;)

All WHITE - You're out of SIGHT
All RED - You're Dead Fred

107 is not even close to what it takes to fly an aircraft. I would like to see requirements for 107 like the requirement called for in obtaining a minimum aircraft pilots license. Anyone can fly a drone, a 12 year old can. Now use it for furtherance of a thriving business. Different story. Put the 12 year old in an aircraft and see if he can fly it. Of course put the person who bought him or her the drone into the aircraft. Another different story.

Exactly. I think P107 should be (and probably will be in the future) and I'd like to see something similar to today's P107 be required for hobby sUAS operations for any sUAS that can fly higher than 100', further than 500' from the Tx, and able to fly autonomously out of sight.


What I noticed on that approach is one major screw up after another. Switching to autopilot with altitude hold was just one major one. It seemed like the pilot dropped too rapidly to get back on the glide slop. Very few pilots rely on the VASI but instead the ILS. He would have bee better of remaining high on the glide slop after he passed the outer marker (5miles), got his air speed under control then set flaps, then worried about if he was too high and went for a missed approach if need be. Jet engines do not respond quickly with throttle changes so they throttled up way too late. Such a shame.

Very well said. Like most aviation mishaps it wasn't a single huge mistake but a serious of bad decisions and mistakes that leads up to a huge incident. Lots of small mistakes cost some people their lives.
 
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You are right, my apologies for participating. Maybe the point was that no matter who we are we are all capable of screwing up at times. We always hope that our mistakes don't cause others harm. The egos of some commercial pilots gets a little out of check at times, how do I know, I was a member of that club for many years. I can only be thankful that my mistakes never injured or killed anyone.
 
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I associate pilot with a captain, funny my wife refuses to salute me.....aint there a law against this....rofl
 

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