I'm not buying it. Is there a drone that can basically roll on its back then pull out (basically an Immelmann) like that?
Per published charts that particular aircraft was at a min at 210kts which is standard until wheels hit the pavement. So you're right on the $$ there sir.That jet must be traveling around 200 kts for that segment of its flight, so I'm guessing it was slowed down in post?
The video is shaky from several factors... poor screen recording, missing segments and other items that "could" cause it.Why is the video shakey until the jet shows up then gets smooth?
While I would never do something like this and have no desire to flagrantly disregard the law, I feel like all the outrage is little more than typical Internet sensationalism. Assuming this is real, how is it more dangerous than a flock of birds flying by?
I think you may have misunderstood me, or I you. I wasn't comparing the lives of birds with the lives of humans. My point was that I don't see how a drone crashing into a plane is any more likely to cause an accident than a bird strike. While it is possible for a bird strike to cause an accident it is extremely unlikely. According to the NTSB, bird strikes are responsible for one death (not one accident, one death) for every one billion hours flown. And there are millions and millions of birds in the air all the time. Given that birds far out number drones in the air and that most birds are bigger than most drones (particularly a little racing drone like this one had to be) and that the drone pilot understands what a plane is and is actively working to avoid hitting it while a bird does not and is not, then surely a drone causing an accident is far less likely than the already extremely unlikely case of a bird strike causing an accident? I am in no way condoning this behavior and if someone is caught doing it they should be dealt with appropriately under the law. But it seems like all the outrage and vilification is unwarranted. People speeding on the roads (of which most or all of us are guilty) is a much bigger threat to public safety but no one gets upset about that.I'm sorry, mate, but what an unfortunate question. You're gonna compare a bird to a person? It is clear that this individual has less brains than a bird, but let us allow ourselves to be carried away by, according to you, an unfounded alarm created by the media.
Don't you consider, as a drone professional, the matter to be serious enough? Do you think that an aviation accident caused by an animal can be put on the same level as that caused by an abnormal by wanting to record a video to put on the Internet and put the lives of others in danger?
Can you compare the danger of fire caused by a LIPO battery with the guts of an animal?
Can you compare a person's reasoning to that of an animal?
I can also think of questions, but then they are all cleared up thinking that anything that prevents a single person from dying from a plane crash caused by these causes, is a good thing.
Whether it's real or false, that's not the point. This video has come to light but how many incidents and some other accidents are caused by bad drone pilots that don't come to light? Does that make the problem unimportant?
I don't know which would cause more damage but that's not the point of this thread.
And I disagree that the outrage and vilification is unwarranted.
Comparing auto accidents to aircraft accidents is another apples to oranges comparison.
There are many cars on the roads, occupied by 1, 2, 3, or 4 people. Many people have driven a car and most of them have not had an accident. They are everyday occurrences that we have become numb to. So they don't really concern most people, even though statistically we are more likely to die in an auto accident than a plane crash.
In contrast there are fewer planes in the air, each carrying many people. Many of these people are afraid to fly for a variety of reasons. Plane crashes are rare but the carnage is spectacular. The news media bombards the airwaves with images of the crash site and further scares many people.
These people know birds pose a hazard to planes but collisions are rare and they rarely cause a crash. We can't control the birds.
So let's introduce a drone into the picture. A drone flown by a humanoid who could avoid flying near planes but chooses to do so. All of the scared people are now even more scared because they have been told a drone strike could bring a jetliner down.
So there is a hue and cry from the scared people demanding the government protect them from this new menace that surely will kill them all. The gov't responds "we already made it illegal!" But the scared people are not satisfied because these "near-misses" continue to happen. And the scared people know the gov't can't catch all the law disobeyers. They just know their next plane flight will be brought down by a drone!
So the scared people rise up and demand the law-makers and the gov't ban all people from owning, possessing, building, flying, buying, selling and thinking about drones. And the law-makers fear losing their jobs so they give the scared people what they want.
And drones wind up tossed into the trash heap of history- existing for less than a micro-second in the time line of human-kind.
Hear endeth the lesson...
(...what was the question again?)
I agree. My point wasn't that doing so was justified but that all the hand-wringing and hyperbole isn't warranted or helpful.If we are all clear that animals are irrational and humans are the only rational animals, consciously doing such things has no justification whatsoever.
There have been no accidents and the number of actual incidents is negligible. The only significant increase has been in the coverage of the incidents. But the laws are not being tightened because of news media sensationalism. They're being tightened because the existing ones were rushed into place due to the explosive growth of the market. This was always going to happen. People making videos like the one you shared certainly doesn't help and the drone community jumping on them and hyping them up instead of calmly explaining why it's not a real safety threat only makes it worse. The general public doesn't understand what the real risks are but we should. Instead of contributing to the hyperbole we should be trying to dispel it through reasoned and rational explanation. Whether we do that or not though, to think some bad PR right now is going to kill the market is to underestimate the market. The drone revolution has only just begun.The habitat of the birds is the air, we are guests. Due to the increase in incidents and accidents that are occurring between drones and manned aircraft, the laws are already being tightened. All for people like the one who shot the video, whether it's real or not. We don't need to watch any video to know that this is happening and to think that if we don't see it, it doesn't happen. The justification for all agencies that regulate the laws governing the use of drones is based on the word safety. The birds flying cannot be avoided, the danger they represent can be mitigated but not avoided. That drones fly is being limited and although it may not be banned, but doing so hard to make it unfeasible and therefore kill this market.
I didn't intend to imply that it was only this video. I've been seeing this kind of thing of thing all over the place for quite some time and I've come to feel like I need to speak out against it. Sensationalism hurts our case and the facts don't seem to support the fear.With these examples it is clear that it is not only the current video, it is a problem that we have been dragging for a long time and that is becoming more serious because drones are currently sold as sweets. Ignorance and lack of brain at the end will cause a fatal accident and those who pay the consequences will be us, the professionals.
You are wrong when you say that there have been no accidents, they will not have been fatal but there have been. Those that cause damage are accidents and if you want to look for what happened to a plane in Argentina when it was just landing. After seeing the picture of the nose of the plane we spoke again. Just because we don't know doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, with the amount of news that the media actually publishes, you think there have been no accidents? That regulations are getting tougher and tougher, do you think it's just incidents? Although for me to avoid the possibility of a fatal accident already justifies it, I hope it will do so for everyone else as well.