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360º Photography and Videography

Thought I'd come share what I consider my most successful 180º pano to date .. sunset up on Tahoe. I have it printed out 15 feet wide here at the office, at 150 dpi, and it is flawless. The Mavic shoots 21 photos for the 180º pano, and thankfully Photoshop DOES usually handle those pretty well, as of the latest 2019 update. :)

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You are a wealth of knowledge - thank you so much! I shot them using the Mavic's auto-pano deal, so it does all the shooting, adjusting, etc. But I end up with raw files (which I love). So I think I won't even bother with the auto-stitching you mentioned above, because the control freak in me can process all the raw files for optimal exposure and color, and then use PanoramaStudio to stitch it!

Photoshop STINKS at the 360º stitching. I use Photoshop to work on my Insta images (to remove the tiny bit of tripod at the bottom) so I am relatively comfy working in the 3D space, but I have not ever been able to get it to give me an acceptable 360º stitch, from my Mavic's shooting. But then again, maybe that is user error. Ha. I have very firmly established, I'm not the techno-wizard in our house. :)

Let me just tell you how exciting it is to walk into a customer's business and hand them a pair of goggles (we have the Oculus Go) and watch their reaction as they go through a virtual tour of another business. The idea of being able to bring that into a realtor's office, to show them what the future of virtual tours could bring (I fully expect the VR goggle technology to explode in the next 10 years, so that they are in more and more households) - I get SO excited about this stuff! And then to add 360º drone? So people could "float" above a property and look all around? Crazy! I love it. Thanks so much for chatting with me about this - it's so fun to find others who have that passion. :)
My pleasure. Happy to share.

If the auto 360 pano function on the Mavic works as on the Mavic 2, there should also be an already stitched 360 pano jpeg on the microSD card in the same directory as the video files, while the originals get saved in a separate directory called PANORAMA. The only downside to the DNG's is that PanoramaStudio 3 Pro can't read the DNG metadata to automatically pull out the GPS location data, so you will have to enter it manually, which is a pain, when doing lots of panos and using the mapping function. On the M2, I can pull it from the stitched jpeg that the M2 creates, but copying latitude and longitude and height is still cumbersome. PanoramaStudio Pro 3 also does a very good job of correcting the exposure throughout the image, so I use the 25 original 20MB jpegs, and call it good enough! I also shoot all panos in flat, overcast lighting, so no sun hotspots to deal with, and have a giant soft box from the sky. Midday or early afternoon works well, too, to keep the sun from ruining one side, but the lighting is often harsh. Stay away from water only on one side for 360 panos. Hard to stitch well, and nothing to see on the backside.

I am eager to add terrestrial 360° panoramas, including interiors, to my aerial 360° panos on Google Maps. Virtual tours are where it is at! Essentially, they are self directed tours, rather than limited to the field of view chosen by the drone pilot in a video, where the viewer's interests may be different than what the drone pilot chose to look at, and the linear timeline of a video is very constraining, leading to abandonment! The multitude of options in an interactive map of 360 panos lets the viewer control where they look, for how ever long they choose, and zoom in and out and around in every direction, for detail that interests them.

You'll also have to play around with the elevation at which you choose to shoot the aerial panos, which will vary, depending on how the higher elevation reveals more of the sights in the distance, but less detail on the ground when zooming in. I'm still experimenting, often shooting the same pano at 25', 50', 75', 100', 150', 200', 250', 300', 350', and 400', especially over my own house, to get a feel for what works best, and in different lighting conditions and at different times of day, and even at night.

It's really fun!
 
Thought I'd come share what I consider my most successful 180º pano to date .. sunset up on Tahoe. I have it printed out 15 feet wide here at the office, at 150 dpi, and it is flawless. The Mavic shoots 21 photos for the 180º pano, and thankfully Photoshop DOES usually handle those pretty well, as of the latest 2019 update. :)

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Very cool! PanoramaStudio 3 Pro can also create in interactive web output with 180° panos, so the viewer can also zoom in and around within the 180° field of view. Give that a try with this image and others.
 
The only downside to the DNG's is that PanoramaStudio 3 Pro can't read the DNG metadata to automatically pull out the GPS location data, so you will have to enter it manually, which is a pain, when doing lots of panos and using the mapping function. On the M2, I can pull it from the stitched jpeg that the M2 creates, but copying latitude and longitude and height is still cumbersome.

When I've made my panos in the past, I open the dng files but save them as tifs for the best quality. If I were to save my edited dng files as jpgs, would they still retain the GPS location data and be readable by PanoramaStudio? I just did my first 360 pano process using the software - so FAST and so easy! Nowhere near knowing how to map anything, haha, but I have most of the weekend. :)
 
A continuation of the thread at: Web site recommendations - please see it for the setup to this discussion.

It left off with:
GadgetGuy said:

The only downside to the DNG's is that PanoramaStudio 3 Pro can't read the DNG metadata to automatically pull out the GPS location data, so you will have to enter it manually, which is a pain, when doing lots of panos and using the mapping function. On the M2, I can pull it from the stitched jpeg that the M2 creates, but copying latitude and longitude and height is still cumbersome.

So I asked: When I've made my panos in the past, I open the dng files but save them as tifs for the best quality. If I were to save my edited dng files as jpgs, would they still retain the GPS location data and be readable by PanoramaStudio? I just did my first 360 pano process using the software - so FAST and so easy! Nowhere near knowing how to map anything, haha, but I have most of the weekend. :)

This thread will follow the learning process for PanoramaStudio 3 to create mapped interactive 360º photos (flying and terrestrial). Trying to learn this process for a resort photo shoot in a couple weeks. Huge thanks to GadgetGuy for his patience and help!
 
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And I answered my own question by playing with the various software. My dng files saved as jpg still retain the gps data. I didn't realize it was held in the exif. I'm well on my way to making a very happy client! :)
 
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Thanks to GadgetGuy, I'm one step closer to an ecstatic customer. :) The image is not great. Exposure is off, and I think the drone wasn't in the best spot for what we want to do, but this is the first time I've been able to do anything usable with the 360º shot from the Mavic, taken last fall. They wanted a virtual online tour of their resort. I'm thinking with some more learning and a bit of practice, we'll be able to give it to them.

Hopefully it's not against the rules, but here's a FB link to the image in its true 360º format (I tried sharing it here directly but it wouldn't show properly):
 

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Hopefully this weekend we'll also be testing a homemade attachment for the Mavic, that will allow us to shoot 360º images and video with the Insta360 OneX. Hoping for something that will capture beautiful sky (as opposed to the "ceiling" limitations of the Mavic), and also the ability to shoot 360º flying video.
 
When I've made my panos in the past, I open the dng files but save them as tifs for the best quality. If I were to save my edited dng files as jpgs, would they still retain the GPS location data and be readable by PanoramaStudio? I just did my first 360 pano process using the software - so FAST and so easy! Nowhere near knowing how to map anything, haha, but I have most of the weekend. :)
They might. Depends upon whether you make sure all the metadata is saved out as well, when you save them as jpgs. When I shot DNG's of night panos, they looked too HDR, and lost the contrast I wanted to capture, when rendered in StudioPanorama 3 Pro. Certainly more flexible, but the overhead is so high with files that are almost 100MB each that it was overkill, when most will be looking at them on a cell phone, and the larger the files, the longer they take to load, as you scroll around.
 
And I answered my own question by playing with the various software. My dng files saved as jpg still retain the gps data. I didn't realize it was held in the exif. I'm well on my way to making a very happy client! :)
Excellent!
 
Thanks to GadgetGuy, I'm one step closer to an ecstatic customer. :) The image is not great. Exposure is off, and I think the drone wasn't in the best spot for what we want to do, but this is the first time I've been able to do anything usable with the 360º shot from the Mavic, taken last fall. They wanted a virtual online tour of their resort. I'm thinking with some more learning and a bit of practice, we'll be able to give it to them.

Hopefully it's not against the rules, but here's a FB link to the image in its true 360º format (I tried sharing it here directly but it wouldn't show properly):
You are off and running, exploring the vast potential I see as well!
 
Hopefully this weekend we'll also be testing a homemade attachment for the Mavic, that will allow us to shoot 360º images and video with the Insta360 OneX. Hoping for something that will capture beautiful sky (as opposed to the "ceiling" limitations of the Mavic), and also the ability to shoot 360º flying video.
Very interested in how that might work, but I fear by hanging it below, the ceiling sky will actually be the drone itself. BTW, the Mavic 2 GO 4 native spherical panoramas fill in the sky automatically with decent cloning. However, PanoramaStudio 3 Pro will lock the panorama automatically so no ceiling hole shows, when using the original images which only go up 30° above the horizon.
 
Very interested in how that might work, but I fear by hanging it below, the ceiling sky will actually be the drone itself. BTW, the Mavic 2 GO 4 native spherical panoramas fill in the sky automatically with decent cloning. However, PanoramaStudio 3 Pro will lock the panorama automatically so no ceiling hole shows, when using the original images which only go up 30° above the horizon.

I'm not very good at explaining Jeremy's creations. ha. But we hope to test it today, so if we do that I'll take a pic of what it looks like. It's a fairly long pole, to avoid the drone taking up too much sky. I did get a decent 360º pano (with the drone) yesterday at an old mining town in this area. It's received a pretty warm reception on social media. Is there a way in PanoramaStudio 3 to set the starting view of an image when you're saving it? I can do that in Photoshop, I just forgot to before I posted to FB, but wondered if I could include it as part of my Panorama Studio workflow. I'd rather this one be looking at a prettier section of the pano, when someone first opens it. :)

 
I should clarify, I see that I can program a starting position into the JSON settings, if I export the pano as an html. But if I just want to export it as a jpg for use in social media, I'm wondering if there's a way to do it within the application. I can't seem to find anything.
 
I should clarify, I see that I can program a starting position into the JSON settings, if I export the pano as an html. But if I just want to export it as a jpg for use in social media, I'm wondering if there's a way to do it within the application. I can't seem to find anything.
Yes, the Field of View Preview setting for the web output does what you want in the html output. To center the jpg stitched pano with a different center, try this, from an email exchange I had with Tobias:

Open "Edit->Straighten horizon" and move the panorama with "constrain to horizontal move" so that the center of the panorama shows exactly the direction or view that you want.
 
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Very interested in how that might work, but I fear by hanging it below, the ceiling sky will actually be the drone itself. BTW, the Mavic 2 GO 4 native spherical panoramas fill in the sky automatically with decent cloning. However, PanoramaStudio 3 Pro will lock the panorama automatically so no ceiling hole shows, when using the original images which only go up 30° above the horizon.

Well, we tested it today. You can see some photos and description here:


In the end, what we decided, is that the Mavic really isn't crazy about that heavy of a payload, so we're contemplating buying someone's old used Phantom just for this kind of work. But, proof of concept ... we should be able to come up with something that allows us to do flying 360º video. And FULL 360º photos from the air.
 
Yes, the Field of View Preview setting for the web output does what you want in the html output. To center the jpg stitched pano with a different center, try this, from an email exchange I had with Tobias:

Open "Edit->Straighten horizon" and move the panorama with "constrain to horizontal move" so that the center of the panorama shows exactly the direction or view that you want.

Beautiful! I will give that second explanation a try. While I CAN set this kind of thing in Photoshop, it does NOT like 360º images from the drone. It wants to force them to be full 360º photos, as would be taken from a 360º camera, so it keeps pinching the top together into some kind of weird conical forced sky. So at this point I can edit my raw files in Photoshop to get them to look exactly how I want, then bring them in to Panorama Studio to stitch (which I love, love, love, did I mention?) and then whatever I output from there, that's what I use. I can't bring it into Photoshop to set the initial view. But thanks to you and Tobias, maybe I won't have to worry about that. :)
 

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