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As if police drones didn't get enough bad PR

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I've been retired for 7 years. Did they stop making PA systems for squad cars???? Did we not promise city councils and citizens we would not spy on them with our police drones? How quickly we forget.
Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures (hopefully after thinking through the problem).
 
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Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures (hopefully after thinking through the problem).
Agreed.
Is an M2ED with a tiny speaker going to be more effective than a squad car PA? Color me skeptical. As you know I'm a fan of public safety UAS use, but citizens are paranoid enough, we don't need to contribute to that.
 

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Agreed.
Is an M2ED with a tiny speaker going to be more effective than a squad car PA? Color me skeptical. As you know I'm a fan of public safety UAS use, but citizens are paranoid enough, we don't need to contribute to that.
This is just part of the norm. Some desk pilot thought "what a great idea" and shoved it through without actually becoming informed about the issue. The boots on the ground get the steaming pile without a stick and are instructed to make it work. Add to that the fear-driven state everyone is in and you have the perfect mix.
If they don't have enough boots on the ground, they just got National Guard troops. Put them to use. Certainly not a popular solution as far as PR goes but it does work.
 

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This is just part of the norm. Some desk pilot thought "what a great idea" and shoved it through without actually becoming informed about the issue. The boots on the ground get the steaming pile without a stick and are instructed to make it work. Add to that the fear-driven state everyone is in and you have the perfect mix.
If they don't have enough boots on the ground, they just got National Guard troops. Put them to use. Certainly not a popular solution as far as PR goes but it does work.
Chula Vista PD has been very successful and innovative (and received lots of media coverage) with their UAS program. Unfortunately, when you start thinking the only tool is a hammer every problem is a nail.
We saw the same thing in the 70s and 80s with SWAT teams until saner minds prevailed. I inherited a dept. where they were deploying SWAT for misdemeanor warrants and throwing flash bangs at the drop of a hat. Of course, as chief I had to deal with the aftermath. Things changed overnight.

I just hate to see public safety UAS getting a bad rap.
 

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Chula Vista PD has been very successful and innovative (and received lots of media coverage) with their UAS program. Unfortunately, when you start thinking the only tool is a hammer every problem is a nail.
We saw the same thing in the 70s and 80s with SWAT teams until saner minds prevailed. I inherited a dept. where they were deploying SWAT for misdemeanor warrants and throwing flash bangs at the drop of a hat. Of course, as chief I had to deal with the aftermath. Things changed overnight.

I just hate to see public safety UAS getting a bad rap.
All the more reason to have trained professionals operating the aircraft who know the rules and regs (and in this case the local laws too) who have the ability and knowledge base to make an informed call on each flight. If it doesn't feel right don't do it. We, as pilots, have that obligation, responsibility, and right to call the flight off if things are right. It sounds like that came from a soap box but we have all had to step in at some point and come up with an alternate plan or scrub a flight.
 
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What I got from the article was their major concern was keeping their personnel from having direct contact with the people. Too easy for people to flag down a black & white and want to engage in conversation.
 

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This is just part of the norm. Some desk pilot thought "what a great idea" and shoved it through without actually becoming informed about the issue. The boots on the ground get the steaming pile without a stick and are instructed to make it work. Add to that the fear-driven state everyone is in and you have the perfect mix.
If they don't have enough boots on the ground, they just got National Guard troops. Put them to use. Certainly not a popular solution as far as PR goes but it does work.
I beg to differ, this is not the "NORM" and until announced suspensions of civil liberties there still exist a level of privacy. Now I will say that we don't know how the drone is being deployed and the flight pattern, but we know that there is a good margin of the public that are concerned about drone usages and its ability to fly close to the public (spying). Patrol units can be used as in "NORMAL" times with loud speakers, but what we are really talking about here is people & businesses allowing gatherings to occur. A drone cannot issue out citations, so a unit would need to be deployed anyway to do any enforcement. Drones are best used for known situations to assist & monitor ground units, this use of patrolling will just add to the fears of the public.
 

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I beg to differ, this is not the "NORM" and until announced suspensions of civil liberties there still exist a level of privacy. Now I will say that we don't know how the drone is being deployed and the flight pattern, but we know that there is a good margin of the public that are concerned about drone usages and its ability to fly close to the public (spying). Patrol units can be used as in "NORMAL" times with loud speakers, but what we are really talking about here is people & businesses allowing gatherings to occur. A drone cannot issue out citations, so a unit would need to be deployed anyway to do any enforcement. Drones are best used for known situations to assist & monitor ground units, this use of patrolling will just add to the fears of the public.
Until we enter marshal law this is a moot point. Officers still have to obey the law and the regs according to their COA or certificate. So what exactly is your point here? What if scenarios don't cut it.
 
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My point, just like Mr. Martinez speaking from experience in dealing with the public from a law enforcement position. Chula Vista has been on the forefront of UAS usage, but sometimes you need to think things through and put yourself in the position of the public.
 
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Thanks for deleting my post. I guess someone didn't get it. It wasn't political. Just references to movies and similarities to eventualities. This stuff is going to happen so you might as well ban me for free speech. 👍
 

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